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, the long-term deal that could take a big bite out of the deficit. >>> two big head lines, the casualties keep coming and the scope keeps widening. rebekah brooks arrested. the woman once headed up his british papers, she's out on bail. headline two, the head of scotland yard resigns. sir paul stevenson is quitting over criticism how he handled the saga. >> as commissioner i carry ultimate responsibility for the position we find ourselves in. with hindsight i wish we had sunlged matters involve this affair differently. i didn't and that's that. >>> brace for an explosive few days ahead. ra beck that brooks, rupert murdock and his son are scheduled to be questioned by british lawmakers tuesday. >>> 15 seconds of news from canada. classic rockers chief trick got a scare as their stage collapsed at the ottawa blues fest. the stage blew over in severe weather. that's where we snagged these pictures. check out the stage before. and after. it's barely recognizable. good news, no serious injuries. >>> you hear the words grope and airport and junk-touching security checkpoint horror stories pop t
in it that's pretty -- it's sort of outlined but not detailed in legislation and has a big, big dollar figure around it. so, sort of the big plan. passing that along with a debt ceiling as sort of a big theory option instead of this mcconnell/reid plan, but it's so vague, as you can tell, and nothing that i have as any sort of firm plan, just, like, something that's sort of out there in the ether, they just don't have a plan at this point, no one does, john. >> it sounds like, and some people at home are saying, my god, there they go into washington speak again. i'll try to simply phi it. they are trying to fit certain pieces together to get you to several trillion in deficit reduction and that seems to be where we are, a bunch ideas. i'll go over to the wall a little bit, because jess talks about the mcconnell plan, that would give the president the authority to raise the debt ceiling and maybe they would come up with a commission with spending cuts. that's one backup plan. another backup plan is the gang of six. and i want to bring up the gang of six yesterday we talked about that. they hav
leaders are digging in on the big sticking point of taxes ahead of tomorrow's white house summit. chuck todd is nbc's chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown." chuck, we've heard a lot from republicans. today at the bloomberg breakfast it was said that any tax measures had to be revenue positive over the long run that could be ten years out. eventually have to contribute toward deficit reduction. that is not what republican senator john cornyn was saying exactly the opposite what he said on our show yesterday that it has to be revenue neutral. how does the president hope to bridge this devoid? >> reporter: well, you know, they have an interesting tactic here. they believe and frankly behind the scenes so do house republicans believe it will be easier to sell a larger deal that has some things in it that nobody's crazy about on certain sides. whether some trims to entitlements on the democratic side or some of these revenue proposals on the republican side that if it's a large deal, $2.5 trillion to $4 trillion and maybe even $6 trillion in the out years meaning th
to ask the big oil companies to give up one dime not one dime of their $4 billion annual subsidy. they have refused to ask big corporations to give up one dime in their corporate loopholes. what we are negotiating with is a group of people who won't compromise. a group of people who have said we want the middle class to pay more taxes so that big corporations can pay less. we want seniors to lose their medicare so that big oil companies can continue to foost on their subdis. that's what the problem is. >> the case that republicans have taken a hard line on talks, at the same time democrats are taking what sounds like a hard line on entitlements. let me read a statement from leader pelosi that says we continue to oppose benefit cuts in social security and medicare. these pillars should not be used a as piggy bank to subsidize tax cuts for the wealthy. are democrats not just as guilty of failing to compromise as republicans are in this case? >> no, absolutely not. what we have said and i think most americans would agree with this is the middle class and seniors should not be asked
the impact. but i'm wondering, two of the candidates will be coming out after this big debate here in washington. does that give an advantage or a disadvantage or is it unclear based on the outcome? >> well, it's unclear based on the outcome certainly. the congresswoman and the congressman have both been very strong in their opposition. >> no compromise. right? >> that will appeal to many people in the base of the party. and i think what you've heard from some of the other candidates is somewhat more equivocal position. though john huntsman this week came out strongly for the boehner plan and said it was the only plan going and that the republicans and everybody ought to get behind it. congresswoman bachmann in particular, i think, has staked out that kind of tea party position. and she'll probably benefit from that. i think the other candidates are trying to get a piece of that, but try to go more broadly. >> i think bachmann and to a certain extent paul also risk some pleasure of backlash, or could in their don't raise the ceiling at all and their positions, playing down is a pot
casey anthony, big day. she's getting out of jail on sunday. will you be doing some commentary this weekend? or are you taking this weekend off? >> i may very well, but certainly i'll be talking about it on monday morning. >> have a good weekend, whatever you might end up doing. good to see you as always. thank you so much for being here with me in the cnn news room. i of course will be with you tomorrow and sunday. >>> the president said he's willing to think small if he has to in order to break the stalemate over raising the debt limit. also new apologies from media mogul rupert murdoch. he met with the family of a murdered teenager whose phone was hacked by his now defunct tabloid. there are fast-moving developments in this scandal. it's ungulfing his entire news empire. and as casey anthony prepares to get out of jail on sunday, will she shun the media spotlight or will she try to capitalize on her supposed fame? i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >> president obama back at the bully pulpit for the second time this week to make sure ameripay bill. he went bef
with markets in a bad way. >>> and then the big tease. julie yanni w giuliani. will think of these folks get in the game? the summer of speculation. good morning, thursday, july 14, 2011, i'm chuck todd. >>> and the nbc campaign team is doing a lot of prep today. doing that behind the scenes but why not to get right to my first reads of the morning, hurdling towards the huge financial calamity. ratings agency moody's put the government on notice for a possible credit downgrade. as leaders try to broker a deal, personal relationships are breaking down. president obama and house majority leader eric cantor clashed yesterday after the president frustrated by the lack of progress, saying it was time to stop postures and get the deal done. cantor went to the press telling his version of story. cantor said, obama got very agitated seemingly and sat there long enough. and no other president, ronald reagan, wouldn't sit here and he said to me, eric, don't call my bluff. democrats dispute his version of the event. one said cantor's account of tonight's meeting is completely overblown. cantor rudely i
and we did receive a report of one fatality. >> pamela, christine here, how big is the area the researchers are searching and what are they dealing with in terms of conditions and weather there? >> the coast guard hasn't left yet. we're waiting for the sun to come up before we conduct a search. when we do, we will conduct a thorough and exhaustive search of the area, we cover hundreds of square miles of water and we'll be doing that as soon as the sun comes up. >> do we know any -- any sense of this vessel, you told us 100 foot fishing vessel, is its weather that caused it to capsize? >> yes, ali. we received a report that they had hit some rough weather on sunday morning and the boat had capsized and sank almost immediately. the vessel was close enough to shore where some people were actually able it to swim to shore and they had to notify authorities when they got on land. >> petty office ser pamela bailen, we'll check in with you later. >>> former serb commander ratko mladic kicked out of court this morning. the judge removing mladic from the chambers after multiple disru
planned recess next week for the 4th of july. >> mitch mcconnell making a big deal of inviting the president for a chat with no notice with the knowledge he already had plans. >> the president said he wasn't going to change his plaque plans to meet with mitch mcconnell. >> he also invited the president to hear what would not pass. >> is it logic? the republicans are not big on logic. >> if they don't this time, the full faith and credit of the u.s. will be in peril. >> if we don't do that -- wait, what happens again? >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> armageddon. >> democrats are saying yes to michele bachmann. >> i'm not surprised by how well michele bachmann has done. she comes across as a real person. >> real human moments. very compelling to voters. >> obama's got some magic. >> with the wink and a hug, she's made the majority of the gop field disappear. >> king james called napoleon and together decided to kill america. they sent the nina, pina, and santa maria to fight. >>> and yes to stephen colbert. >> i'm sorry to say, ladies and gentlemen, we won! [ applause ] >> it's s
are loop hoeholing loopholings. >> shouldn't they hold firm, democrats, on this. >> this is a big step forward for john cornyn, one of the big leaders in the -- a leader in the republican senate campaign committee to suggest they're open to the idea if not in the intermediate term closing loopholes is an important first step. it suggests that you can win some of your concessions you want here. if you're going to take drastic steps to reform medicare and medicaid and social security, which i agree we should, you should also hold firm to say that some are going to have their taxes changed. if the middle class and the people below the middle class are going to make sacrifices, and all americans should. people on the upper oechend sho as well. hopefully they'll agree to a corporate tax cut and hopefully doing something incentivize businesses hiring going forward. >> we got some great segment ms ahead. and must reads. the tax issue hurts it economy to deal with this a little bit and get what the democrats want on this. i don't think it does. >> i want patrick to explain this. he never quite
their arguments outside rather than keeping them inside the room. the president wanted the big deal, john boehner it seemed wanted the big deal, and it's very clear that that is not likely to happen. so at this point the president had his press conference yesterday. he said, you know, i'm the grownup in the room here. we each need to give a little on something. he said, by the way, if we don't agree, guess who will sufficiensufficiener? the american people. >> you mentioned spooking the american people. i saw a poll today and i'm sure the white house saw it as well. in it it showed americans are more worried about raising the debt limit than they are about the government defaulting. could the statement by the president be, i don't know, a calculated effort to warn the country, talking about millions who don't get the checks about the severity of this government default? >> absolutely. i think the president is now starting to say, okay, and we're getting a little into the blame game now. okay, if the government defaults, you're not going to get your social security checks and your veterans benefit
a lot to talk about. big news over the budget and deficit reduction. president obama is rejecting calls for a short-term hike. he made a rare appearance in the press room. he's challenging them to seize the moment and cut a deal. >> i don't think the american people here sent us here to avoid tough problems. it's, in fact, what drives them nuts about washington. when both parties simply take the path of least resistance. i don't want to do that here. i believe right now, we have a unique opportunity to do something big. to tackle our deficit in a way that forces our government to live within our means. still allows us to invest in that future. >> all right. sounds good. sounds hopeful, it does. maybe something will get done, like everyone is going to come in. less than an hour after the president's invitation, john boehner missed the discussions saying a deal won't pass in the house, if it includes tax increases. he said, i'm happy to discuss the issues at the white house, but the discussions are fruitless until the president recognizes economic and legislative reality. >> that doesn't
that and in exchange for some minor tweaking of medicare, but nothing that really gives the republicans too big a win on that issue. and they would also argue, to gloria's point earlier, that you actually need this. this is not just a win for democrats, you need it because you need democratic votes to get this through because you're going to lose so many republicans who simply won't vote to extend the debt ceiling under any circumstances. so that's the calculus if you went with the middle deal, there would be an entirely different math for a tax reform package if you went with that larger deal that's more in the $4 trillion range. >> the irony here to me is that a larger deal would in many ways be easier to cut because it's so obvious what you would have to do. if you do a smaller deal, then you have to have eric cantor lay out by piece by piece by piece, cut by cut, by cut, what he would do if you don't have the revenue side of it. >> but to get the bigger deal, you need trust that they would actually then do comprehensive tax reform, rewrite the code so the republicans would make the case we didn't
. the scandal now spanning across the atlantic and claiming its first big victim on this "american morning." >>> and good morning. welcome, everybody. it is friday, july 15th. i'm soledad o'brien. you are watching snoonk kiran is off, christine is off, welcome soledad. good to see you. >> thank you. we have a lot to do today. let's get right to it. serious new pressure on rupert murdock and his global media empire. the justice department says it's now investigating the claims that one of its tabloids tried to hack 9/11 victims' phones. a report in another british tabloid, "the mirror" quoting a source who says "news of the world," the newspaper which folded under the pressure of the hacking scandal, hired an investigator to try to tap the phones. now lawmakers, law enforcement, and 9/11 families are all demanding the truth. >> susan candiotti following the latest for us on this and breaking, one casualty of the news international, rebekah brooks has resigned. >> the question is, does this mean that the walls are crumbling at news corp. it's too early to say, bulls this is a crack in the wa
that she could catch fire. look, when you start this thing, when you win iowa, if you win iowa big, that thing starts rolling through new hampshire and south carolina, it's over in weeks. i agree 100%. >> how was she going in philadelphia suburbs? how is she going to do in the i-4 corridor and in wisconsin? how is she going to do in new mexico, arizona? i would suggest, with swing voters not well at all. >> there's no doubt if you nominate michele bachmann, it's an enormous risk. the only conditions, i think, under which i believe she could win the presidency, if people say, if they did in 1980, i don't care, i'm taking a chance with this guy because what we got we can't stand, you get 9% or 10% unemployment, two more years, this country is ready for a lot of change. more "morning joe" in a moment. with the hotels.com 48-hour sale, the possibilities are endless. interesting... save up to 50% this tuesday and wednesday only. hotels.com. be smart. book smart.  finally, there's a choice for my patients with an irregular heartbeat called atrial fibrillation, or afib, that's not cause
. how exciting. >> they match. >> they do match. >> the big news of the day, yesterday, of course, was moody's coming out and saying, listen, we don't expect this to happ happen. the chances are slight this is going to happen. just the chance it may happen, we are going to downgrade america's credit rating. >> we are going to put it on credit watch to downgrade it or we will downgrade it if it happens. first of all, the rating agencies were behind the curve during the whole financial crisis and they took a lot of heat for that. now they are trying to be more proactive. when you have a congress that refuses to address the issue, what do they do? it's not a shocker. it's another symbol of how dysfunctional things are in washington and what the stakes are and how dangerous it is. you know a few people across the globe. >> i like it when mika says it better. >> say international financeer. >> i would think these are trying times for banks across the world. look at ireland a second time. it's spread to italy. we have all heard -- greece, portugal. it's all across europe. it's coming to
between himself and michele bachmann. >> big difference between talking and getting stuff done. and i get stuff done. >> it's the latest chantner the rivalry of the two minnesota candidates for the republican presidential nomination, which boiled over yesterday, with pawlenty having spent almost two weeks saying bachmann has no congressional accomplishments to speak of, bachmann had enough. in a sunday statement, she fired back saying "i've fought against irresponsible spending while governor pawlenty was leading a multimillion dollar budget mess in minnesota." later the bachmann campaign added on healthcare mandates, climate change and wall street bail-outs there's very little daylight between governor pawlenty's record and the obama administration's." this back and forth comes with pawlenty still trailing bachmann in the polls. for bachmann, the verbal sparring seems to come with at least some risk. it will likely draw even more attention to the iowa straw poll, less than three weeks away, and pawlenty seems to have the advantage of a larger, deeper iowa organization. the straw poll bal
this economy and yeah, there's a big issue coming up with regards to the debt ceiling. the president ought to be in washington meeting with republicans, meeting with democrats, he shouldn't leave that town until he has an understanding of what it's going to take to get this economy going again and deal with the fiscal crisis that the country faces. but he's here raising money for a campaign. doesn't even have a primary opponent. >> the president was also in pennsylvania, the white house, though, fires back at that particular metal works plant, the allentown metal works that had been struggling for years when the president visited in 2009. president obama saying while i'm working, there will be candidates parading around the country and doing what they do can which is trying to attack. he told supporters in other parts of pennsylvania while mitt romney was there in pennsylvania. >> mitt romney did not mention his rivals. he's clearly taken the stance that i'm the frontrunner, i'm not going to mention tim pawlenty or michelle bachmann. why's he in pennsylvania? not an early primary state, k
statements in that meeting, because we don't know what the details were of his proposal and the so-called big deal, my insistence was consistent with our speaker's, that we not raise taxes. and that's why that construct doesn't work. we don't have the votes on this side of the aisle. i'm not supportive of raising taxes on people who are trying to make it right now and can't. so i would say to the gentleman when he refers to the other groups that have been out there, all of whom he say suggest that somehow we need to raise taxes, what the gentleman's talking about is how are we going to produce more revenues? we believe, mr. speaker, that you produce more revenues by having growth in our economy. we don't believe that you promote growth in the economy by cranking up the government spending machine by taking money from people who eastern it, washing it through washington's bureaucracy, and sending it back out. we don't believe that. we believe that growth is created through investment, through hard work in the private sector. by entrepreneurs, small business men and women, people who want to su
. host: mississippi, janet is next. caller: i feel as long as our politicians are bought by big corporations, we cannot trust the word that they say. they will do what the corporations want. the supreme court gave corporations the right to be individuals. they do not have rights like individuals. they are individuals themselves but they should not make the decisions as far as who represents the people. a lot of people would call me ignorant, but i know how to balance my checkbook and if these people cannot balance their checkbook, they need to go home and learn how to. host: fixed the political experts from the book -- brookings institution says -- that they hash it out in private first. your thoughts? caller: my thought is that if people cannot get together and talk it out, compromise, what is the use of having separate get together is? tempore i know that i sound ignorant, but people need to sit down in a circle and come to a conclusion. host: another twitter message from boring file clerk, writing -- host: chattanooga, tennessee. gerry, go ahead. caller: thank you for c-span.
's casey anthony released shortly after midnight. last night -- night before last. the big question now is where did she go? >> right, where is she? >> where did she go? we know that after the courthouse right there, they went in a series of cars over to a parking garage where her attorney was. next thing you know, we don't know. >> possibly the old switch-a-roo there. >> she's facing the possibility of some lawsuits so she can't completely disappear so we may see her popping up again. right now, we don't know where she is and that's incredible really when you think about the amount of attention that this has gotten and that everyone knows what she looks like. >> it was amazing. had to go through some precautions. for a woman without a budget, it's amazing the amount of money we were spending on her, her safetyher future for now anyway or maybe somebody is keeping a tab because she probably will be coming into some money soon. they called up her parents and said do us a favor, show up at the hotel, excuse me, at the prison, and go -- and be a good decoy for the press who are going t
when negotiations with the taliban move forward and it also may have very big repercussions for the u.s. effort in the south. people called president hamid karzai's brother a corrupt gangster. but the cia's former head of counterterrorism says the u.s. may miss him. >> it's quite like live that what follows is going to be something that will not work to our interest. >> reporter: an afghan official says he was gunned down in his own home, shot in the head and chest by his own guard. the taliban took credit, but it's not clear if the shooter was really working for them. >> the united states condemns in the strongest possible terms the murder of president karzai's half brother in kandahar. >> a u.s. official said quote, while we must deal with ahm ahmed wali karzai, he's widely understood to be corrupt and narcotics trafficker. the state department and u.s. military were trying to build trust in the afghan government. they frequently criticized ahmed wali, but the cia worked with him. >> i think often parts of the u.s. government were working at cross purposes where ahmed wali was conce
. >> whether you get the big or not, you know this won't pass the senate. >> i don't know if it will or won't. >> do you believe we should raise the ceiling? yes or no. >> if the senate is responsibility, then cut, cap and balance will pass. >> let me ask you a question -- do you agree with the president that we need to raise the ceiling, president obama? >> i will vote to raise the debt ceiling if we address the long-term issue of federal insolvency caused by -- if we do not address the long-term issue, the risk associated with piling on higher and higher debt loads, if we don't address that, then, no, sir, i will not vote for the debt ceiling. >> ronald railinger, who was someone i'm sure you admire, let me show you what he said about the dead ceiling, maybe you should tell your colleagues this. >> i'm familiar with this quote. >> congress consistently brings the government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. this brinksmanship threatens the holders of government bonds, those who rely on associate security and vet ran benefits. the united states has a special responsi
. the president came out and said republicans, you have to do a big deal and by the way, if you are thinking about an interim plan, forget it, i'm not going to do it. >> i found it interesting because he basically said both sides had to get used to some sacrifice. brian, you and i had the debate yesterday on radio whether or not he would have that particular tone. but that's what he said. i found it interesting he said we should attack this right now, although a month ago he wasn't even involved in these talks. you have to ask him why the sudden urgency now. the other question is is that august 2nd deadline, could tim geithner just push that date a little bit more down the road or is that hard and firm? >> well, here is the -- >> it's not going to get easier, it's going to get harder. we might as well do it now. pull off the bandaid, eat our peas. now is the time to do it. if not now, when? i'm prepared to take on significant heat from my party to get something done. and i expect the other side should be willing to do the same thing if they mean what they say. >> it's amazing. yesterday the presid
. if you are going to rule out medicare now and say yeah, we are going to make big cuts but rule out medicare. that means democrats are focusing on 10%, discretionary spending that is our investments, r & d, education, infrastructure. the things we need to double and triple down on. the things we can afford to do in trying to catch up with china if we take care of the long-term structural debt on taxes, on health care and these other issues. >> yeah, we talked about the fact our health care system is at least 50% more expensive procedure by procedure than any other place in the world. we have this grip on a lot of the health care sector. we need health care reform. this is obvious. but it's been obvious for years. they don't do it on either side. >> coming up, connecticut governor dannel mall low. >> he's going to yell at you. >> i think he's in for a fight, yeah. yeah. >> mika is mad. she's not putting up with it anymore. >> this is incredible. sexual assault allegations against strauss-kahn. why it's on the verge of collapse. >> he was in yonkers at the time. come on. >>> first, he
commitment to big government. what they would like to see is the government sweated down. that's the point they've been trying to make. and there are honest differences and people have a very different view of what kind of society we ought to live in. >> but at a certain point, david, when there was a big deal on the table, and if as you say the president could have brought nancy pelosi along, and i agree with you i think he could have, the republicans would have gotten a great deficit reduction deal if they hadn't committed to the no tax pledge, right? >> but gloria, asking any party to commit to a $1 trillion of tax increases is an awful big lift for a party that is all along stood for lower taxes. and when they also feel a lot of these cuts are going to turn out to be illusory. their experience in the past they sign onto the bargains and they feel the democrats eventually wind up getting what they wanted and what they were promised never materializes. >> but there's a big difference between that and nothing. you know? a big difference. [ overlapping speakers ] >> where do you see the mi
. is that realistic at this point. >> well, in terms of getting that big agreement, it looks highly unlikely at this point, but certainly as you pointed out, the president joking that his campaign was built on hope and change. it will be interesting to see if that hope will also win out in this debate. but, look, what the president is pushing for still is the biggest deal possible. he acknowledged, though, that it's hard to do that, but nonetheless, he has been telling congressional lawmakers during negotiations all this week that if they can't get the biggest deal possible to attack the problem of the debt and the deficit over the long term, then they should still be ambitious. >> we are obviously running out of time, and so what i have said to the members of congress is that, you need over the next 24 to 36 hours to give me some sense of what your plan is to get the debt ceiling raised through whatever mechanisms they can think about and show me a plan in terms of what you're doing for deficit and debt reduction. if they show me a serious plan, i am ready to move. even if it requires some
to have a big, serious debate about what we believe is the right way to guide america forward and when the future --win the future. i am confident i and i am confident that we will win the debate because we have the better approach. but in the meantime, for everyone's a while we can sit down and do something that actually helps the american people right now. >> you consider raising the debt ceiling fairly routine, but at this point is economic, garden. how can you get any agreement with congress? >> -- it is economic armageddon. how can you get any agreements with congress? >> i will keep working hard on it and i hope that this debate has focused the american people's attention a bit more and will subject congress to scrutiny. i think increasingly, the american people will say to themselves, you know what, if a party or politician is constantly taking the position constantly taking the position of, "my way or the highway ," constantly been locked into ideologically rigid positions, then we will remember that at the polls. it is cumulative. the american people are not paying attention t
and cuff links and cowboy boots in the ring with him. >> yahoo. >> mike: don't touch my junk food. big government getting bigger and advertisers in the food industry say they feel pressured by new federal guidelines. shouldn't parents decide what their kids eat. "fox & friends" sunday morning continues right now. ♪ >> hey, everybody, good warning by mike jarrett there. >> ainsley: good to see you. >> mike: and gets better looking every week. >> dave: you, too, sweetheart. >> ainsley: we're glad to be waking you up this morning. hope your family is doing well. >> dave: the best news for all of you saturday night we thought a big deal was going to happen. and now it appears that a smaller deal is on the way because john boehner late last night made the announcement that we're giving up talks on that grand deal that's been discussed where republicans would give in on tax hikes, democrats would give in on entitlements and this guy what john boehner had to say. >> now, we can't agree if there's any new taxes involved and of course on the other side the democrats say here we go. >> so, bo
's talk about some of the big issues right now. jobs, jobs, jobs. it's a crisis, a game of chicken going on in washington right now between the president, the did democrats on one side, republican leadership on the other side. how big of a deal is this august 2nd deadline for raising the debt ceiling? >> well, because i haven't been in government in a long time, i don't know what options the treasury department will have if the debt kreceiling is not lift. my guess is they can pay the bills for a while, after which they won't be able to. so if we let that deadline come and go and we really raise questions about when or political system is mature enough even to pay its bills, i think it's trouble. i realize the idea of voting against raising the debt ceiling has always had great appeal to people. even in good times, a bunch of people vote against raising it because it looks like a free vote. >> when he was senator, president obama didn't vote to raise the debt ceiling. he regrets it now. >> but, you know, when you're not president and you think the vote's there, seems like a freebie and y
that it isn't that big of a deal have made themselves look pri instrahan gent. if we do go to doomsday on this, the hope is people that get blamed will be the republicans. >> that's option 2. that's default. i've given you two options. >> it's not default if we don't stop sending out the checks. if we keep sending out the checks, it's not default. we didn't default in '95. we just got near to it. >> does the president then say, okay, i'll agree to the republican plan? what's the third option besides default and defeat? how does he force his point of view, which is a reasonable balance, two or three to one, spending cuts to revenue hikes. >> i have no idea. i should say they're talking four or five to one. >> how do we get to there then? >> he can't. on his own we simply cannot. we live in a country, the constitution, the constitution has ultimate power. a lot of people think he could ignore them by asserting constitutional authority, but that is really dependent on the supreme court. >> am i right that it depends on one man, john boehner, speaker of the house, will have to deliver the votes he
guns on something he's done his entire presidency, which is when there's a big bill that needs to get through congress, whether health care, whether the stimulus or whether this, he lets congress handle the details. he doesn't present his own legislation. he doesn't say here's my plan. let's amend from this. it's instead, trying to let's grab a piece here, let's grab a piece there. let congress do all the talking. we'll see. it is one of those debates that takes place among folks that observe this president from the outside wondering why does he keep doing it this way. who will win the battle long term? john boehner and harry reid teed up that fight yesterday. >> two groups of people from two different planets who barely understand the language of the other one. they're two remarkably different visions for what the appropriate role of the government should be in our society. how our country operates. it's stark and it would shock most americans. >> any time around here with the new tea party philosophy, they seem to think they have an all-knowing wisdom about the constitution. in shor
the big fight's going going to be over the debt ceiling limit. that's where the hard negotiations are going to be put out. and then they will probably be given a new number, and they'll have to revisit that bill that they've worked on in committee and meet the new number. so if that's what happens, it's probably a good thing. host: so first things first. guest: look, here's what each department or each function of government is going to be getting, and then work out what you think you can get, the most bang for the buck, so to speak. host: let's get to calls for you. we're going to begin with a call from los angeles. michelle is a democrat there. you're on for david keating of the club for growth. caller: given that you made the comments about t republican candidate mitt romney has developed an unshakable reputation as a flip-flop per uses federal powers to coerce taxpayers, and tim pawlenty is hard to pin down, who do you like? guest: well, what the club for we haveohas been doing, published a series of white papers on many of the presidential candidates, all of those that have d
to be an american? not a big change when president obama came to office. what does that say to you? guest: remarkable continuity about something that is very important in defining this as a people. it does not seem to matter whether we have a democratic or republican president. we are patriotic nonetheless. host: james, pittsburg, republican line. caller: my comment is that you have to poll the younger crowd and they are the strongest and the fastest and most easily -- and it is easier for them to take in all the information they have take in. they are more alterable to become a soldier and not many of them are politically savvy. once they get into the war, they are generally -- most of the men i know that have come back especially from this war and from vietnam, they speak to the fact that they were fighting for its other. host: we will leave it there. guest: that is true. men who have had that experience in war talk about it that way. they also love their country. one of the things we see, it's a hard thing to take polls of soldiers because it's tough to do. but when you do, they are ve
in a very big and vital state of new york. >> most importantly, one, the white house says it's not true and secondly, biden himself, he's been the target of getting off a ticket since january of 2009. when hillary clinton was going to take it over and that would be the smart thing to do politically. as much as people might have strong feelings about vice president biden, i think that for president obama, he's been a good vice president. he marches his soldiers on. he does the bidding. and he -- i think there's no reason for it to change but also this, while i respect the reporter and i'm sure he's got good sources, i just don't see what changing courses mid stream and getting the governor from new york gets you >> you can tell how much the white house doesn't want to talk about something when they dump it out on a friday. according to the economic council of advisors, they've come out with their seventh quarterly report and what they said is the stimulus, remember, it was going to save us from big -- >> save or create three million jobs. >> it was going to do that. it didn't do that. o
. there's supposedly meetings between the white house and senate and big game players later this beak. in erms the of a deal we're getting a real date, not necessarily august 2nd, but july 22nd. why? there's a ten-day period needed for the congressional budget office to score any type of compromise as well as you're going to have to sell this compromise to the members. house republicans have been steadfast they don't want any tax increases to consider any type of compromise. speaker boehner needs some time to sell that to his members. >> you're talking about political high ground. you're not talking about the substance. i want to ask you about libya. there is a procedural vote the first step on the kerry-minnesota cane resolution on libya what do you see there? >> it's around 5:30 p.m. today. it really is a procedural vote on the mccain-kerry libya resolution which says for one year the u.s. should allow -- there should be force in libya, u.s. backed force with no ground troops. to one democratic aide said they really don't know how this vote the going to come come out. there is specu
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